07-08-2011, 11:06 PM | #11 |
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Hey Eremiel,
I fell out with my local pet shop too and the tortoise 'expert' in there. Just in the stage of writing my complaint letter however theres lots of pets shops like it. Its kind of upsetting I dont think my letter shall make a difference but I think I'm just going to send it anyway. The breeder I bought from is banned from the pet shop too. I wrote a thread on tortoise trust if anyone has seen it. P.s dont leave the forum! Write a letter of advice to the petshop or drop some info in thats what I've been advised to do by people on tortoise trust! |
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Article 10 Licence All Annex A tortoises require an Article 10 licence (A10) before any commercial transaction (sale) can take place. However, there is no requirement for a licence in order to possess an Annex A tortoise, or if you give one away as a gift. Annexe A TortoisesGalapagos Giant Tortoise (Geochelone nigra)Radiated tortoise(Geochelone radiata)Angonoka(Geochelone yniphora)Bolson tortoise(Gopherus flavomarginatus)Berger’s cape tortoise(Homopus bergeri)Pancake tortoise(Malacochersus tornieri)Geometric tortoise (Psammobates geometricus)Madagascar flat-shelled tortoise(Pyxis planicauda)Spur-thighed tortoise(Testudo graeca)Madagascar spider tortoise(Pyxis arachnoides)Hermann’s tortoise (Testudo hermanni)Egyptian tortoise(Testudo kleinmanni)Marginated tortoise (Testudo marginata)Negev tortoise(Testudo wernei) There are two types of Article 10 licences: the “Transaction Specific Certificate” (TSC), and the “Specimen Specific Certificate” (SSC). 1) Transaction Specific Certificate (TSC) for tortoises of 100mm or less.
For Tortoises captive bred in the UK – without supporting documentary evidence. A Breeder’s Certificate can be in two forms, either as a TSC or a SSC. The breeder’s certificate is issued by DEFRA when there is inconclusive evidence as to whether a tortoise is captive bred. The breeder’s certificate will permit the holder to breed from the tortoise and apply for licences for any offspring, but does not authorise the sale of the tortoise |
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like I said the council have inspectors which can revoke a shops lisence if they are'nt meeting the animal care guide lines however anyone complaining has to be precise and accurate about where the shop is going wrong. The council are only that and aren't animal experts just know what should be required, they will however visit and do follow up visits to see conditions are met. As Alan said Defra are the ones to check on paperwork or lack off, however if you wish something to be done don't have a go at the shop all that will do is warn them of a possible visit from the authority and possibly get rid of any evidence as such. To make shop/sellers improve their conditions and paperwork etc they need to be caught red handed, at least I think so. Make notes etc before you phone the authorities then you know exactly what to say.
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Sadly...I agree - there are many shops out there that are very bad. There are some good ones by the same token. But it is sad when I read what Chaz said earlier...in her first post. Chaz - Keep your cool, sleep on things and if need be - take a step back from the forum if it gets difficult. At the end of the day, we all are gonna have our differences, little rows. You need to distance yourself from this if it starts to lean that way. It is what it is here. And all we are doing is typing text - not face to face. Things can get misunderstood very easily. But try not to get embroiled, take a breather and look at things fresh. xx |
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Is it the petshop in oldtown? Or chanely?
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Old Town are great guys they even run Torty workshops to help owners know their pets its the one in Cheney Manor.
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Ah thought it might be. I have been in there a couple of times. Was not very impressed but I think most pet shops are the same. What I don't understand is they have them runs outside on show but never seem to put them out to have free time. But that's just me.
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The only things that will change the care or selling of any animal in pet shops, is if it was profitable for them to change it. Also if people didn't buy animals from them then they wouldn't sell them.... Most people I believe don't really care that much about the state of animals in crowded cages.... when they see the animals in a cage they just think it looks cute.... You only have to see the tiny hamster cages and micro rabbit hutches that are for sale.... They are like minature prisons.... It makes me mad.... If enough people cared, people would refuse to buy the tiny cages, and pet shops would be forced to make changes to bigger and better accommodation! Sadly this won't happen will it.... So my point is if lots of people are happy for their pets to live their miserable lives in tiny homes then not much will get done about the temporary accomodation of the tortoises you are talking about .... I totally agree it is wrong though.......
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