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[16 shells]

I have mentioned this again, who actualy recommended Bok Choy, aka Pak Choi safe feed the Potassium is through the roof compared to some other Veg. It must be that the Calcium rate is high, so that's it. On a chart it looks safer to feed dark green Cabbage more than the Bok (Pak) Choi. Cabbage greens coming in medium low on everything.

[yuna1971]

Originally Posted by 16 shells

I have mentioned this again, who actualy recommended Bok Choy, aka Pak Choi safe feed the Potassium is through the roof compared to some other Veg. It must be that the Calcium rate is high, so that's it. On a chart it looks safer to feed dark green Cabbage more than the Bok (Pak) Choi. Cabbage greens coming in medium low on everything.

Where has this sprung from? I am confused. Are you saying that Pak/Bok Choi is: 'ok to feed in moderation' (as lets face it, alot of 'bad stuff' can be if needs must - as in bad weather periods like now) or is it 'dont feed ever as it is pretty awful'. Or its 'great to feed'...
It might be just me but reading what you put there Paul...I dont know whether its good or bad. Potassium high...but calcium high?? (Isnt calcium intake a good thing?)...What is potassium...and effects of it being too high ?? Feed green cabbage....medium low on what??

Apologies.... if its just me being a girlie here ...but as I am getting on abit now I need things clear and to the point with no faff. xx

[Pussygalore]

The way I see it is if its not poisonous then it would only harm if fed frequently over a period of time, if fed only occassionally along with other foods then its ok 'bad'isn't poisonous or deadly. A bit like us and sweets/alchohol etc the odd treat doesn't hurt, it might even be beneficial if at this time of year you can only get salads, you still have to try to get that variety or else like many of us resort to using pelletts.

[yuna1971]

Thats what I mean Ann. I wasnt sure of what Paul meant...

I try and aim for variety. I have the komodo pellets but have just sprinkled really, I still do have some ribwort plantain which seems to be holding up well. I do use pak choi but as I have said in the past, most of this other stuff is really to mix in. But I guess, it is needs must at the moment. I realise some lettuce better than others (most have zero content) but it doesnt half water down the poo....
I want weeds back.... Not fair....

[Alan1]

pak/bok choi is mingin anyway, I wouldn't force that stuff on my worst enema

[yuna1971]

Are chip shop chips 'safe to feed', then? I havent tried bok choi myself.

[16 shells]

Originally Posted by yuna1971

Where has this sprung from? I am confused. Are you saying that Pak/Bok Choi is: 'ok to feed in moderation' (as lets face it, alot of 'bad stuff' can be if needs must - as in bad weather periods like now) or is it 'dont feed ever as it is pretty awful'. Or its 'great to feed'...
It might be just me but reading what you put there Paul...I dont know whether its good or bad. Potassium high...but calcium high?? (Isnt calcium intake a good thing?)...What is potassium...and effects of it being too high ?? Feed green cabbage....medium low on what??

Apologies.... if its just me being a girlie here ...but as I am getting on abit now I need things clear and to the point with no faff. xx

I have been looking at nutrient chart's for a while, and as i see it after triple checking, some of the ok veg to feed for winter on such Tortoise site's, sounds ok, untill you see the charts. When they, or someone has plummed for Pak Choi and dismissed Cabbage, it don't make sense to me. Cabbage comes out lower in nastie's than Pak Choi.
That is just one, take Pea's, one of the lowest in Oxalate's, ok higher in protein than green's, but the amount of protein a tortoise needs is unknown. And a small amount added to a non exsisting protein food like lettuce, would surely balance this out.
Dark green Cabbage leaves come in fairly low in everything except fibre, including on the Oxalate chart for veg. And Oxalates are one of the nasties we have to look out for
So a mixture of some veg as a winter feed once or twice a week, i can't see it doing any harm. If you go overboard, that's a different thing. My opinion as i see it, untill proven guilty.
Hopefully sometime next year, i might have a break down on nutrients from list of weed's, some are already known like Dandilion but a full read out could be interesting, from STRI labs, asked our work's Agronomist if they could do this for me, he will look into it.
Potassium in a nutshell, act's similar to salt's, all living thing's need it, steady levels are great, a mixed diet. Constant high levels can lead to effects of the liver ect.

[Pussygalore]

there's one of the mods on RFUK who feeds a vast amount of different things many that we wouldn't think of I also think he/she has done a list such as you talk of, if I think of his name I'll say. It was a while back when this was talked about and if I remember rightly his view was that all or most things were feedable provided they were balanced out , or something like that. The thing is that its often easier to say 'don't feed' as many people aren't that interested or concerned about 'balance' and if you told them a certain food was ok they'd maybe think 'as thats all I've got its ok to feed ad lib' I know of some that could think because you say dandelions thats ok on their own as a meal or its ok to feed only them all the time.

[Bindi]

Originally Posted by 16 shells

Hopefully sometime next year, i might have a break down on nutrients from list of weed's, some are already known like Dandilion but a full read out could be interesting, from STRI labs, asked our work's Agronomist if they could do this for me, he will look into it.
Potassium in a nutshell, act's similar to salt's, all living thing's need it, steady levels are great, a mixed diet. Constant high levels can lead to effects of the liver ect.

I'd be really interested to see that list Paul (as, I suspect would nearly everyone on SW)

I spent ages earlier this year trying to find a nutrient list of weeds but came up with zilch. somebody metioned that it would have too many variables and the content would depend in which soil the weeds grew

[16 shells]

Originally Posted by Bindi

I'd be really interested to see that list Paul (as, I suspect would nearly everyone on SW)

I spent ages earlier this year trying to find a nutrient list of weeds but came up with zilch. somebody metioned that it would have too many variables and the content would depend in which soil the weeds grew

Yeah, if the Agronomist Henry Bechelet comes up with the list, after i remind him a lot, i will be glad to post it. Where the weeds/plant's grow i.e regions, will alter it a little, he has explained. But to give a reading of the ones they collect, would be either high in something, say calcium and low in say phosphorus, it can't alter much, the plant will alway's be high in calcium. If they altered that much, the food nutrient chart's on the web, would be way out and some peoples lives depend on these.
Just to say i find this interesting, i'm doing a lot of looking lately, never knew Dandilion was on a high Oxalate Human food list.