yes sorry too many 000 lol , yes Axle is 11cm - 222g !! and Oz is 7.5cm - 97g, the larger one has pyriamiding (think i spelt right) on shell not to bad tho but his plastron has some deep ridges also, the smaller one my vet says is female not a male as i was told and correct size and weight for 2 years old, they where in sawdust plastic tub with no uvb and being fed bad diet before we took them in 3 weeks ago, tryin to get things right as soon as possible. will post pictures as soon as possible.
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Michelle aka Goldblend
Adopted 2 Hermanns from a bad home, they much happier nowadays - August 2008 
Axle (male) & Ozzie (Fem) TBH
Syrian Hammies Summer & Lucky
Mother to Willz (16) & Dan (11)
Wife to Hubby George
Part-time bakery worker,
as well as cook, cleaner etc etc
and exhausted ........ 
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