Identifying sub spieces isn't always that easy from a picture but experienced peopel can general make a good accurate guess especially when able to compare them to animals they own .
I don't ever use the plastron method as this certainly isn't accurate but looking at these two its quite obviouse to me they are both TGG of Morrocan Orgin I have had many Ibera and neither of these compare to any of them visualy
If I thinking correctly my own TGG group are also from the same batch these two came from.
Will try and but pictures of my group up when I have time to show the distinct similarities
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