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Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 04-01-2011, 08:00 AM
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Posted By Kenneth
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't...

I don't see any reason why they shouldn't hibernate.
6 weeks post worming should be alright, though over here in Europe we advise 8 weeks "recovery" after the treatment. My animals had a worm...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 13-12-2010, 02:31 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,026
Posted By Kenneth
Thanks, that's real kind of you. Although I...

Thanks, that's real kind of you.
Although I was(/am) pretty confident about hibernation and all, it truly is reassuring to see them doing very well and gaining weight again.
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 13-12-2010, 02:09 PM
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Views: 2,026
Posted By Kenneth
Ah.. I get it. Yes.. true... there have been...

Ah.. I get it.
Yes.. true... there have been reports of this phenomenon over here in The Netherlands / Belgium as well.


My torts have been hibernating in a fridge though and are currently in a...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 13-12-2010, 01:42 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,026
Posted By Kenneth
Have you ever heard of such a thing?

Have you ever heard of such a thing?
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 13-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,026
Posted By Kenneth
Yes, they're eating very well and are pretty...

Yes, they're eating very well and are pretty active.
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 13-12-2010, 10:45 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,026
Posted By Kenneth
I chose to hibernate that early because of their...

I chose to hibernate that early because of their rapid loss of bodyweight.

It was my plan to keep them in their indoor enclosure for the next couple of months and indeed have them sleep from dec...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 13-12-2010, 07:56 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 2,026
Posted By Kenneth
My hibernation experience

Sept 15th.
Had decided to take my two Eastern Hermanns indoors. We had quite a few cloudy days and night-temperature dropped to 10 degrees C.
Weight: 248 and 123 grams.


Sept 21st
Although I...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 03-12-2010, 07:08 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
Well... I checked them once every week during the...

Well... I checked them once every week during the first few weeks of hibernation.
Necessary? Nah, not really.. Quite a lot of keepers let them hibernate outside over here in the Netherlands and...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 08-11-2010, 08:00 PM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
Jon, I totally agree. Allthough it is...

Jon,

I totally agree.
Allthough it is known that up to 25% of the animals weight consists of gut contents, it is not common that they lose that total amount during the winding down period.
...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 08-11-2010, 07:26 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
Thanx again Kirkie, Very interesting point...

Thanx again Kirkie,

Very interesting point of view.
I'm kind of confused about the direct result of urinating when hibernating though.

It all makes perfect sence, that when a hibernating...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 05-11-2010, 11:12 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
Wow, Now thats an explanation I was looking...

Wow,

Now thats an explanation I was looking for :-D
All makes perfect sence, except:


I understand this, but what if urates are secreted as well?
Then the concentration of stored urates...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 05-11-2010, 09:15 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
Same here :smile:.. just looking for a logical...

Same here :smile:.. just looking for a logical explanation as well.



Yup, temps were measured between 3 - 7 degrees.
From 7 degrees, a torts metaboliosm is known to "kick back in".
That...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 05-11-2010, 08:22 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
You mean that eating soil would be a plausible...

You mean that eating soil would be a plausible explanation of them gaining weight?

I don't think so.
It's a known fact that a tort stops eating and becomes inactive when temperature drops.
This...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 05-11-2010, 07:43 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
Jonathan said: Interesting point of view....

Jonathan said:


Interesting point of view.
Over here (Netherlands / Belgium) we only wake them before the end of the planned hibernation, when the weightloss becomes critical.

What would be...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 05-11-2010, 05:08 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
@ Jonathan, About the 5% weightloss... ...

@ Jonathan,

About the 5% weightloss...
During summer, one weighs its tort to make sure if its able (healthy enough) to hibernate. For that we (European keepers) also use the Jackson ratio.
...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 04-11-2010, 12:12 PM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
I hope everything below makes sence; I used a...

I hope everything below makes sence; I used a translation tool, so the grammar could be messed up a bit..

Thanx for your concern Sky...

I however disagree on ending the hibernation because of a...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 04-11-2010, 10:46 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
I could tell mine urinated by the presence of the...

I could tell mine urinated by the presence of the white salty secretion... they didn't lose much weight by urinating though..
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 01-11-2010, 08:12 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 798
Posted By Kenneth
I'm reading all kinds of (good) advice about a...

I'm reading all kinds of (good) advice about a winddown procedure, decreasing light / heat and food-supply.

What I don't read is a manure check by a vet.
Allways make sure the animal has a low...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 28-10-2010, 07:23 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,052
Posted By Kenneth
Cool, I've noticed the exact same with my...

Cool,

I've noticed the exact same with my two boettgeri's.
They have been hibernating in the fridge for 5 weeks since last wednesday.
Temps in the fridge fluctuate between 3,2 and 4,8 degrees....
Forum: Housing 16-10-2010, 05:02 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 4,040
Posted By Kenneth
Do I think you should hibernate it? Well......

Do I think you should hibernate it?
Well... Based on the behavior despite of the "lowered lamp" I think it's pretty obvious the horsfieldii itself wants to sleep.

At first, It exhibited the...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 14-10-2010, 09:37 PM
Replies: 189
Views: 13,285
Posted By Kenneth
It sounded sarcastic... just me being paranoid I...

It sounded sarcastic... just me being paranoid I guess :-D

About the "forcing" matter.
I personally find "forcing a tortoise to hibernate" a negative way of saying that one responds to its...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 14-10-2010, 09:15 PM
Replies: 189
Views: 13,285
Posted By Kenneth
After the animal itself indicates it wants to...

After the animal itself indicates it wants to hibernate by becoming inactive and doesn't feed anymore?
To me that's called responding to the animals natural need to hibernate.

Let's turn this...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 14-10-2010, 09:04 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 1,506
Posted By Kenneth
Ah ok... Well.. I hope he will enlighten us as...

Ah ok...
Well.. I hope he will enlighten us as well...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 14-10-2010, 09:02 PM
Replies: 189
Views: 13,285
Posted By Kenneth
Do you "force" your torts to over-winter? :roll: ...

Do you "force" your torts to over-winter? :roll:

Are you really serious about this question?
Or are you just trying to kill this topic with sarcastic remarks and try to be provocative?
...
Forum: Mediterranean Tortoises - Information & Questions 14-10-2010, 07:26 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 10,947
Posted By Kenneth
Any condition that isn't the exact natural...

Any condition that isn't the exact natural condition is suboptimal, don't you agree?
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