"Egyptian" tortoises? I don't think so. *PLEASE HELP*
 

These tortoises were sold to me as Egyptians, this is obviously not the case...

The first looks to me like an Antakyan, the second looks like a Hermann's, but his face looks like an ibera?

I don't know I would really really like your help! :) Thank you

1st
http://i34.tinypic.com/fdr08z.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/9kufcg.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/97slfa.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/hrlavp.jpg

2nd
http://i33.tinypic.com/ftmyc2.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/xcudlg.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/2a84ymq.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/10z0cpk.jpg

The first tortoise is a female Greek, T.graeca. She looks to me like a cross between a Golden greek, T.g.terrestris and an Antakyan greek, T.g.antakyensis.
The second tortoise is a male Hermanns tortoise, T.h.boettgeri.

Danny

Thank you Dan. :)

I was thinking maybe I could swap this male with an ibera male someone I know is willing to trade has, but he is just too sweet I'm sure I'd be really sad to see him go.

She is really beautiful, I am not sure how she can be a cross, though. Would this happen naturally because she is definitely an adult, would she have been captive-bred? :)

I knew instantly when I went there that they were not Egyptian, but I wasn't really disappointed. I thought that the female could be Jordanian, and the male an ibera. This would make a great pair from my Male Jordanian and my female Ibera.

I just guess it's not my time to breed tortoises... And I don't think I'll go tortoise hunting for a long time now...;)

Thanks again. :)

They cross naturally in the wild. :-) There is no barrier that prevents the subspecies from coming in contact with each other.

Danny

Oh! :) I thought there was some sort of "separation" between the subspecies...

Maybe I should take away the barrier between this female cross and my Jordanian male? ;) (After quarantine, of course.:))

I deeply appreciate your help, dan! Thank you! :)

I agree with Kelly, as you already have 3 types of tortoises to choose from to pair up this female with, another cross, an Antakyan or a Golden greek. Why would you want to add another subspecies into the mix.

Danny

It's nothing I am planning to do. I never really thought that it would be nice to add another subspecies to that cross, either, I just thought since my Jordanian male is separated from the rest, that he would appreciate her company and them breeding would be no problem. I thought maybe even naturally a cross tortoise would breed with another subspecies.

I understand where you two are coming from and I guess you are right. :)
For the record, I have a young female Antakyan and a young male Golden Greek. So not really up for breeding yet. ;) I'm fine with that, seriously. I just thought that I could place her in with my male with no problems..:)

Thanks for your help! :)

I recently saw an Ad selling Egyptian hatchlings for £1100 a go. Way, way out of my price range & to be brutally honest they'd probably die under my care. As I understand it they are very hard to sucessfully keep in our moist climate.