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HermanniChris23 07-07-2006 11:05 AM

I have decided to re-do these diagrams and also include Testudo hermanni hercegovinensis this time.


Testudo Hermanni Hermanni:

Testudo hermanni boettgeri

Testudo hermanni hercegovinensis

Becks 07-07-2006 11:25 AM

thanks m8 that is very interesting info there ..
luv becks
thanks for reposting it xxxxxx

pmullen 07-07-2006 08:37 PM

thanks i was looking for diferences between sub species

although andy believes that t.hermanni botegeri has to be closly looked at because there
is a lot of differences between size shape and colour
worth a read on xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx web site
very interresting!!!

zombiegirl 07-07-2006 11:49 PM

thanks for that

HermanniChris23 13-07-2006 08:15 AM

This is a very OLD diagram I had made.

sarah 24-11-2006 02:07 PM

From -HermanniChris23

Well I promised you all some new diagrams on how to differentiate the subspecies of Hermanns Tortoises (Testudo hermanni) and after hours of trying to get my tortoises to cooperate, I took good pics and wrote detailed descriptions on them. Here you go and lets make this a STICKY!! :D


Many people find it quite difficult to differentiate the eastern and western subspecies of the Hermanns tortoise (Testudo hermanni). For years it was believed that the Western race (Testudo hermanni hermanni) was separated from the Eastern race (Testudo hermanni boettgeri) by characteristics like a divided suprecaudal shield or the jet black bands on the plastron. While these features can help, it is by no means limited to this as both subspecies can exhibit them. Today all over the world "breeders" and dealers offer hermanns tortoises for sale. Many are captive bred babies while others are imported wild caught animals which are loaded with parasites. Lately individuals offer "western hermanns tortoises" for sale and more than 9 times out 10 they are not the real thing. In the following diagrams I illustrate through photos of my own tortoises how to properly tell the difference between the 2 subspecies. Just because your tortoise has a lot of black on the plastron does not mean it's a western hermanns tortoise!!

Enjoy everyone! 8)
Chris Leone

For more information on this subject please read and view the original thread about this that I posted which is a sticky at the top of this forum. Included in that thread is a diagram using hatchlings. You may also view my online photo album featuring all of my turtles and tortoises at:

roedeane 09-01-2007 06:38 PM

Great info yet again,thx,Yvette

josie790 19-03-2007 08:01 PM

Thanks for that. It was so usefull. I pick my THB up on Sunday. I cant wait.

Jo :)

Bride2b 21-03-2007 08:56 PM

Hi :D

Its absolutely brilliant , thanks, I have 2 little thb`s and its great to see older thb`s and the clear difference between thb`s and thh.

\thanks for sharing the wonderful pix :D

HermanniChris23 21-03-2007 09:05 PM

you are all very welcome. :D
I am in the process of writing a book based on my experiences with THB and THH that will hopefully be published this year.

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