Sorrry agen but i need help big time

[cpx_20o5]

hey everyone, my neece had nocked the uvb bulb from jerys home and it smashed, and then she broke the fitments, for the flourasent light uvb light....and now jerry only has a basking light can anyone tell me what to do to get uvb on jerrry?
just because the lighting and fitments arent cheap and we're not exactly flush atm.....
and mum dont order offline....so SOMEONE please help.
thankyou tay

p.s/ill be able to get a light and stuff within a month :cry:

[SCiARA]

I’m no expert but take into the account the weather we are having, there’s nothing better than the real thing

[piglet]

As SCIARA says take advantage of the wonderful weather we are having your tortoises should be out in this any way providing they have a covered run and shaded areas to go in.
Darren

[cpx_20o5]

Oh ok thankyou, just we have no *GARDEN* atm, but i can go to my grandads (lives right over the road lol 1 min walk)

[Becks]

cant u get a replacement light sooner then a month ??..
ur tort sould have all lighting ect at all time ....
where there is a will there is a way ..
and when it comes to animals there sould always be a way as they can not get these things without us.
can u not raise the money for it urself ??

[carl20]

hi m8 ur tort will be fine if u get it out in the sun for an hour a day at around middday is best, the uv then is much stronger than any bulb by far, so an hour will be fine as long as the tort is in the sun. This method wont work forever, especially when it isnt summer but it will do fine for a month especially if you dont have a quick growing tort.

[clairekentuk]

Most sources recommend 8-12 hours of daylight (and Uv) per day.
Personally Id get one sorted as soon as possible or work on making a secure enclosure in your garden area. I would not leave a baby without UV for a week let alone a month as they are growing all the time.

Personally Id work on getting one immediately or if the financial situation doesnt permit this the consider rehoming or selling them. What would happen if Jerry was to get ill and need a vet. Any pet owner has a responsibility to ensure that they make provision for their care.

Sorry to sound harsh but if you cannot provide a garden and the tort no longer has UV with no prospect of getting one then you are not giving them what they deserve. They really need a powesun or t-rex UV lamp if they are indoors all the time.
A forescent tube doesnt provide adequate UV throughout their relatively short life. Sufficient for colder months perhaps but in no way an alternative to direct sunlight.

[carl20]

i agree you need a uv light soon, but an hours sunlight has more uv than many hours under a t rex so try and get your tort outside for now.

Claire is right about the vet thing though, u should have a little stash for your tort in case of emergency.

[clairekentuk]

I dont know the measurements of UV, but in the wild torts bask for hours in the sun. The sunlight may have far more superior UV but while indoors during daylight hours in my opinion it is best to provide additional UV. Mine incidently are outside but even when they chose to go in the greenhouse they still have powersuns in dull weather.
The more UV the better. I wouldnt settle for just an hour but I totally agree with Carl that it is a start.

What kind of accomodation are they living in CPX?

[Pussygalore]

Do you live in a flat perhaps there is a balcony your tort could go on or even in front of an open window, but put some mesh or netting over the container in case a bird etc takes a fancy to him, an old draw or large container to put him in, I,m sure with a little imagination he can get some sun. Don't take this wrong guys but I think some of your comments were a bit harsh, after all people come on the site for help and advice and I'm sure some of you have had hard times but still love your pets and to be told to consider getting rid of him must have been very upsetting.

[clairekentuk]

Perhaps it is upsetting but it is a reality that tort accessories and especially vet bills are very expensive.
These things should be taken into consideration.
Not only that I am deeply distressed to see pics of a tortoise that looks in an absolutely terrible way just days after the other tort has died.
I dont care if I sound harsh, i feel for these animals. I dont often get angry on forums but torts deserve the very best care.

Claire

[carl20]

im not trying to be argumentative claire but i think ppl are a bit hung up over the uv required by torts,
Most mammals and birds require uv light for the same reason as torts however for mammals like humans 15 mins a day is sufficiant for all our growing bones. Now i know some animals get d3 from eating meat however the amount of sunlight needed for herbivores is still minute. I think most torts prefer shade than direct sunlight and a lot of the d3 synthesis is caused by heat. at midday in britain uv is 160 (uW\cm2) at 12 inches below a trex flood light uv is 100 (uW\cm2) yet once the tort is 3 inches out of the direct centre of the beam uv is only 20 (uW\cm2) so it would take 8 hours at this area to get uv equivilant to 1 hour in british miday sun, This is why i think 1 hour in midday british (summer) sun would be sufficiant for the tort whilst he has no uv tube. it must be noted though that uv is only high in britain in summer and at midday so make sure u get your tort out then CPX, and keep him out longer when it is overcast.

[shootinglou79]

every animal deserves the best care!! not just tortoises, where is the pic to prove the tort looks in a terrible way?

[cpx_20o5]

right looi has never had a uvb light as his certificate thing says hes wild taken so we havent rushed to get a uvb, besides hes been outside all the time lol, and umm...JERRY we got a replacement light we borrowed money off granddad and he said his treat instead lmao!!
so yea we all cool now, looi will have a light in 3 weeks

[clairekentuk]

It was posted on the forum before it got wiped.
Pewe died of cause unknown and Jerry has real swollen legs and then a new tort arrives when the others dont even have access to garden or UV. Im not disagreeing Carl, the issue here is not the UV in my opinion though I do believe as all evidence suggests that UV is important for torts in preventing MBD and promoting healthy growth.
The issue is tortoises are not for poor people, harsh though it may seem, vet bills and accessories are not cheap. Im not suggesting they rehome the torts if they are able to provide adequate care. Ill say no more on subject, im obviously offending people.

Wow a certificate saying wild taken. Thats something to be ashamed of if such a thing existed.

Claire

[carl20]

no, i agree with u claire, no pets are for ppl without enough money to look after them, it is cruel.
I was just giving my knowledge of uv light that is all, im not fully aware of this situation about a dying tort and swollen legs etc... so i wont go into that, i was just providing a way for the lad to get his tort uv while strapped for cash

[michaela]

i am a little confused maybe i am mistaken, but i thought i read in a previous post that looi came from a friend of yours. i didnt realise he was wc. where did you get it from.

[aprillinda]

hi cpx

been reading your other threads

i am not a tort expert still quite the new learner

but i am an expert with regards to kids, 4 of my own, 3 grandchildren, and i teach and playwork with over 200 kids :lol:

and it seems to me your niece has caused u a few probs with regards to the tort table and trex and light holder

kids get very excited with little pets and usually they r a lot stronger than they look and do not know their own strength :lol: :lol:

perhaps you should keep an eye on the little one whilst she is near your equipment & torts preventing a disaster is easier than sorting it out later, perhaps u and she could make a few ground rules regarding the torts

[cpx_20o5]

OK if this sounds nasty then be sure its not....

OK, i know i should be providing my tortoises with more and proper care, i may be god damn poor but i can afford things for my tortoises, it just takes a few weeks to get money together, now i know you lot think that im supplying wrong care but im not, im feeding weeds and natrual foods for them, im also giving them right heating and lighting, the uvb light went thats all....i put the tortoises out side anyways in the dya with nice wethering here.

NOW then when you mention POOR PEOPLE shouldnt have epts its cruel because they cant afford right care WELL its bloodty well wrong, us poor familys can afford Stuff for exotic pets...and everything....NOW i am poor no point denying it....but i can afford stuff for my pets, and i am the one who looks after them not mum dad brothers or anyone else just me....so would you please not mention poor people shouldnt keep pets its cruel....whats CRUEL is people that go aorund slaggin us poor people off saying we just cannot look after pets thats what it is!!

[clairekentuk]

Well mates dont usually issue a tort a cert saying wild taken either. Not much that this guy says rings true in my opinion. No vet would say the tort in that state was in good health. Even a useless vet could see that its not.
And now im on a roll and really must stop before I have mods on my case!
I hate to see animals suffer and kept quiet before but now im real upset and time to get off my high horse.

[Dazza]

Good open debate is good for us all to learn, but before this goes any further could i ask that nobody gets personal, we are all here from a cross section of society and we need to respect where we are all from!!

Thanks Guys,

Darren

[carl20]

"NOW then when you mention POOR PEOPLE shouldnt have epts its cruel because they cant afford right care WELL its bloodty well wrong, us poor familys can afford Stuff for exotic pets...and everything" well cpx obviously this is not entirely true as you may wait three weeks for your uv bulb and if it was winter this could possibly cause a problem, im not sure.

Anyway this conversation is becoming less informative and more critical.

Its not about being poor, i bet we all feel poor when it comes to buying a new uv bulb.

The bottom line is if ppl wana keep any type of pet just make sure you can keep them properly even in a worst case scenario like ur niece breaking your uv bulb.

[clairekentuk]

Yeah sorry Darren. Get a little carried away where torts are concerned especially their theft from the wild.
Ill behave now.

[Pussygalore]

Whatever the facts maybe I still think that our site is here to help not judge and if we put people off then they will only look elsewhere and if you so called concerned people chase folks away then you havn't helped any torts or anything else have you, if kind helpful advice, and a sympathetiic ear is offered it will get better results than jumping down peoples throats anytime.

[Henry-flash]

i am a little confused maybe i am mistaken, but i thought i read in a previous post that looi came from a friend of yours. i didnt realise he was wc. where did you get it from.

I thought that too michaela. :?

Hope you don't mind me making a suggestion. Well how about trying to save a small amount each week as a tortoise emergency fund I have one and its amazing how it mounts up.

[carl20]

lol good lad pete, mine is called my overdraft :lol: :lol: :lol:
My bank manager aint too happy about it

[clairekentuk]

Whatever the facts maybe I still think that our site is here to help not judge and if we put people off then they will only look elsewhere and if you so called concerned people chase folks away then you havn't helped any torts or anything else have you, if kind helpful advice, and a sympathetiic ear is offered it will get better results than jumping down peoples throats anytime.

Yeah its a great site and those that want to be helped will find friendly helpful advice here. They can look elsewhere but most tortoise lovers are of the opinion tortoises should be loved and cared for.
Theres sympathy then there is saying it like it is. I dont think anyone is trying to scare anyone off.

Welcome to the group if you are new by the way.

[Becks]

and mines my plastic friend ...

hey cpx m8 on a different note couldnt u get a paper round or help gramps out or come up with a money spinning idea..
like washing cars ect to save money for ur tort m8 it aint a dig its just an idea ..
im 26 and if my little fellas needed summut id be out there doing a jessica simpson style car was if i had to lol few quid a car u would soon have the money to buy all u need m8 ..
becks xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Henry-flash]

Yep thats what I do a paper round luckily its right next to the park so I can pick weeds whilst I work lmao

[carl20]

id be out there doing a jessica simpson style car wash

I think ill go for an off road drive tonight so mine will be really dirty if u wana come round and earn a few quid :lol: :lol:

[sandy]

I think Claire meant that before buying a tortoise, the cost should be taken into account. As she says
vets bills, equipment is expensive. And you will/do need a reserve of money to pay for such things
as blown lights etc. Taking care of one tortoise properly and having spare cash for emergencies is
far better than trying to care for more and not have spare cash. You dont have to be rich to keep tortoises
just use common sense, and build up spare cash for the future. Anyone can do this if they try.
Getting personal doesnt help anyone.
As some one suggested getting your tortoise outside is the perfect way to go for him. Far far more
superior than any artificial lights we can provide.
Perhaps you could get something like a guinea pig cage, put holes in the bottom, fill with soil and plant
it up. These work well keeping them safe. And they can choose where to be, hidden or basking.
Young tortoises need as much natural UV as they can get.

[Pussygalore]

Thanks for the welcome although I have been a member since the beginning of the year, moved over from hermans site, I have 2 hermans from T.T last years babies doing very well I may add, I watch most nights but don,t choose to get involved very often, I,ve had some really good advice when needed, incidently darren my lovebirds still havn;t hatched so maybe there duds will give them till the weekend before we have a look they were due last friday, 30th, . Incedently I am a 49yr female the name comes from our old terrier.

[Henry-flash]

Thanks for the welcome although I have been a member since the beginning of the year, moved over from hermans site, I have 2 hermans from T.T last years babies doing very well I may add, I watch most nights but don,t choose to get involved very often, I,ve had some really good advice when needed, incidently darren my lovebirds still havn;t hatched so maybe there duds will give them till the weekend before we have a look they were due last friday, 30th, . Incedently I am a 49yr female the name comes from our old terrier.

I think you got the wrong thread

[clairekentuk]

Yeah thats exactly what I meant, sorry if it came across wrong. Not saying poor people cant have pets, they just need to be sure where their priorities lie. At least CPX has reached a temporary solution in using grandads garden though in the long term much more time outside is ideal.
Perhaps grandad could build an enclosure with light and shelter and could look after tort until you get a garden. That way you can be sure the torts are getting the very best.
Nice pics in the picture section CPX, its the way to go, they will be different torts

[cpx_20o5]

Sorry everyone for gettin a bit too umm angry or whatever, just wasnt so good day anyway im sorry.
youll all probly be glad to knwo i got a new uv lamp from the vet (which we are paying shortly) i took my tortoise out side the other day if you go into pictures section youll see a thread saying Looi out in the shining sun or something similar,

My granddad is going tobuild me an outdoor home for jerry and looi (both separate of corse)
I am really trying to give my tortoises the best home/natural habitat i really am...its just hard with everything going on (like family problems, arguments, and otehr stuff) so its hard to get round to affording for my pets, so ive asked my granddad to help me out (well my nan now) with stuff for my tortoises, so he is going to build an out door enclosure soon, and he siad in the day hell feed them and everything bath em, until i get home form school!!
sooo yea.

Sorry again!!

[cpx_20o5]

madmax id like to say a BIG BIG BGI thankyou to you for not being so harsh on me.
thankyou loads

[Henry-flash]

madmax id like to say a BIG BIG BGI thankyou to you for not being so harsh on me.
thankyou loads

Hate to say this but if you read madmax's post it is not relevant to this topic - perhaps madmax misposted it.

[sandy]

Its about time this thread ended and a new one started. Takes forever to get to the bottom
of it<g>. By then I have forgotten what its all about<g>.

[Henry-flash]

I agree sandy this this thread has gone way off topic

[sandy]

Not a problem going off topic but a new thread needs to be started when anyone does.
Makes life a lot easier.